by ShermanKNTO » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:40 pm 21 Replies 7143 Views Last post by elmsandr Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:08 pm Rotax Valves ... Fluted slides repairable? Go Here for the slide position chart for a treble clef standard straight trombone. Where the art of trombone making meets the 21st century! I was stunned. Learn More Tactile positions. Quick view. We can also make a complete hand slide for the Bach 50 bass trombone. The whole thing with this slide is speed, not slickness, and adding anything diminishes the speed just a bit – which is the whole point of the slide. P50 Instructions. Other options are available: LW: Lightweight—no sleeves—quicker response, more open, brilliant sound, N: Nickel-silver outer tubes—brilliant, articulate sound, G: Gold-brass outer tubes—warm sound, rounded articulations), YC: Yellow-brass crook—warmer, rounder sound and articulations, For example: TB47NLW denotes a Tenor handslide with Bass (nickel silver)crook, .547-inch bore, and outer tubes made of Nickel-silver with no sleeves (i.e., lightweight), 260 Hopping Brook Road, Holliston, MA, 01746, United States. Always interested in new things, I pulled a small shank mouthpiece out of my bag and gave it a try.
Shires trombones. Our bass trombone inner slides (fits Bach 50) also feature a dual threaded cork barrel design allowing both course and fine threaded leadpipes without an adapter. In a small shop in Flat Creek Tennessee The Lawler Trombone is made by one guy one at a time from start to finish. We can also make a complete hand slide for the Bach 50 bass trombone. A complete Bach 50 slide is $1,800. The slide tubing of S.E. Best of all I’ve started enjoying practicing again !”. window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || [];
It also features a compression spring for more spring life. This was not a usual “lightweight slide” of nickel that often sounds cheap and thin. And my current gig bag isn’t the safest, but very light and practical for subway travel. The slide of a trombone is a straight piece of tubing that is roughly 70 cm long and quite thin (0.25 mm thick). Two bell flares. Hand Slide alignment on a trombone is crucial to the performanceand feel of the slide. Qty in Cart: 0. Once received from Dave I build our inner slide to these carbon fiber slides so that they are as exact as can be. But something about it has warmed up the low register, and the dreaded 5th, 6th and 7th position notes in the mid register seem to be more resonant, something I’ve been fighting with for a long time. Playing in the staff is like playing a tank now. 5 shows in and it’s already settled sound-wise, I can hear everything and I’m getting point to my sound when I want it. Inspired by the popular trombones used in the 1940s' to1950's Jazz and Big Bands has brought about Explore the freedom of of an ultra light, extremely responsive instrument that allows you to express your music without stress. This normally is not a very expensive adjustment that can be made by your instrument repairman. The slide is so light that it requires minimal effort to switch directions, which really helps with my fast playing. I am a chronic slide end-meets-music stand smasher. Well done, David Butler. Lawler custom lightweight hard shell case. It kind of transformed my old Conn into a very modern instrument.”, Dave Panichi – Buddy Rich – lead bone 82-85. This standard, clear-lacquered, yellow brass, .500-inch bore, tenor model has most of the features and qualities of Yamaha professional models, but at an affordable price. This is true because of the length and close tolerances of the slide as I just mentioned, but also because of the types of lubricants most trombonists use. One note on lubrication. After all, every job requires that you know something in order Examples include: TB47•62: .547-.562 bore tenor or small bass handslide, TW25•47: .525-.547 bore tenor handslide with wide crook, A85•95: .485-.495 bore alto handslide with tuning in crook. No case. Qty in Cart: 0. “I must say I am LOVING my brand new Butler Trombones carbon fiber slide for my Conn 6H bell. Unwieldy slides greatly inhibited the free flow of music they were capable of producing. I guess what I’m getting to with this whole Speed/Slickness analysis is that the classic slide feel is out the door with this one. Go Here for the slide position chart for a treble clef trombone with an F attachment trigger. The gap between the outer slide and inner slide has a radius of only around 0.1 mm. Filed in February 13 (2018), the BUTLER TROMBONES covers Musical instruments, namely, brass instruments and parts for brass instruments; Musical instruments, namely, trombones and trombone parts, including slides, tuning valves, bells, and bell tubes; Trombones It works great, so easy to play on! Spurling PL. We are builders of carbon fiber trombones. Alessi-Vacchiano. This is the largest Super Olds trombone with tone band that I have come across with a 9" bell rim diameter and .500"/.525" slide bore. A quote from Doug’s blog: It's interfering with my playing ability because there are parts of certain songs where you have to move your slide really fast. Peter Dahlgren, lead trombone player in Norrbotten Big Band and Stockholm Jazz Orchestra – complete 6h custom slide, “I got the slide today and used it today at rehearsal. ! ITF 2019 is underway and we had a chance to play one of the trombones we have been most curious about, the Butler JJ carbon fiber small bore tenor! Alessi-Vacchiano mutes are designed and crafted to perform with superior intonation and respond well in all registers. I realized right away that the hand slide weighed virtually nothing and that the inertia caused by moving my normal brass slide was nearly eliminated. Flawless construction. Enough said. Please note: These slides are built perfectly parallel between tubes, however every horn is slightly different in the width between tubes and most likely will require an adjustment of width between your inner slides. .547” bore with interchangeable “M” leadpipe. F.E. My slide is so much harder to move than all the other trombone players' in my band. No “glassy feel” here – obviously – because we’re not evaluating metal-on-metal with some intermittent viscous fluid. Having a contiguous material enables the slide to vibrate as one and provides amazing response and slotting. Pricing is on my price page. ”, Ray Mason, Taylor Swift, Laddy Antebellum – complete 6h custom slide. – Air Feel: I cannot determine ANY differences in air feel from the stock metal slide. Shires handslides is drawn in house, to precise tolerances. Simple Straightening and Aligning of Trombone Hand Slides There is no trouble with trombones. Completely new. One of the other guys in the section could fit it straight onto his horn. This slide is just do damn light, the “smoothness/slickness” factor isn’t really comparable and is barely determinable. I haven’t played my Bach in a while but from what I remember it sounds pretty much the same tone wise but with just a far superior slide. Trombone Handslides. Shires trombones. The soprano trombone is pitched to B-flat but an octave higher than the tenor trombone. Handslide models are specified by letters indicating instrument type (A = alto, T = tenor, B = bass) and crook width (no indication for standard, W = wide, B = bass crook), followed by bore size in inches (second two digits only), then tube material, weight, and crook material, if non standard. Each slide carries different sound characteristics to allow you to change the color of your Edwards to your ideal sound. When you are blowing be sure not to press the mouthpiece firmly to your lips. I will finish the run with this horn. Highly recommended. And you know what? Please take a look at our slide maintenance page. So fast in fact: this show I’m playing requires a lot of fast 1st-to-6th and 7th-to-2nd technique which I normally use a trigger on (was using an Elkhart Conn 79H), and this is a straight horn and I had NO problem cleanly playing the phrases. And then this: the weight of the instrument was miniscule. Add to Cart Quick view. Doug picked up his slide at the TCU trombone summit and liked it so much he played it on the concert that night! The price for custom outer slides for small bore and .547 bore is $850 US. Go Here for the slide position chart for a bass trombone Bb-F-Gb. Real game-changer. 214.356.8002. Without even doing anything, the initial test felt like the best time I had done my slide…times 10! Bass trombone outer slides are $900. Of course, playing on a traditional slide is not really a problem for me (I’m just high maintenance) but I guess because I like to constantly push my limits of what I can play, it’s really great to have a slide that will help me play freer. BASIC ASSUMPTIONS . Perhaps that was the initial goal of the slide. Yamaha Doug Yeo model bass trombone – Former bass trombonist with the Boston Symphony Orchestra for 30 years. Lawler trombones offers a .500 a dual bore .500/.508 and a .508 Butler trombones CF slide as an option on their horns. Shires trombone tuning slides are engineered with a unique, smooth, double-radius design. Olds, the master mechanic, realized the essence of the trombone was the facility of the slide. It sounded like a trombone. The first number indicates the bore of the upper leg of the slide; the second number the lower leg. Imagine the best time you’ve Superslicked your slide (to me it’s the law of averages if I get it right, or horrible overdosed on gunk). This was an outer slide replacement of Earl Williams Model 6, serial #1128 – manufactured in Burbank circa 1966. When playing a trombone you can change the sound it produces just by how your lips vibrate when blowing-no fingers required. A complete Bach 50 slide is $1,800. It was pretty awesome to hear such a positive affect to his sound with it, the only negative I’ve heard of when using carbon fiber is a reduction in sound quality but that pretty much debunked the theory. It’s exactly what I wanted and I have zero regrets in buying it. Before ordering it would be a good idea to measure with a digital caliper the OD of your stockings. Not to mention all of the outer positions are much more accessible which gives me a lot more choices as an improviser. Nothing. BerpBioLube for Trombone Handslides $ 7.95 An evolutionary formula of plant-based ingredients and beeswax combine to create a long-lasting, non-toxic and high quality lube. Single bore slides have a clear sound and can be more articulate than dual bore. In the following sections, we’ll examine how trombone slides are assembled, how to diagnose why they are not working properly and how to make the necessary repairs. I don’t know how many ounces it is, but it can’t weigh but 1/4 (or less) what the stock brass outer slide does. Subtotal: Choose Options. Still resonants well and is 1/8th the weight of my regular weight original slide…plus all the parts fit perfectly with my original slide from the 60s, so it’s like four slide in one each with slightly different characteristics! Contact a specialist at the Trombone Shop to discuss the right Lawler setup for you! Price: $40.50 - $47.95. A PBone slide weighs in at 132 grams and a standard Conn 6h outer slide weighs a whopping 242 grams. Received the slide yesterday afternoon, played it for 20 minutes at home then took it to the show: – Weight: Obviously this outer is the lightest I’ve ever played.

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. Based on playing it about three hours yesterday, it’s safe to say this is my new primary gig setup that I will use on all but large-bore gigs, no question. To produce low notes, vibrate your lips slowly; the higher the note you want to play, the quicker you will need to vibrate your lips. Examples include: T47: .547-inch (large) bore tenor handslide with tenor crook—centered sound and feel, TW47: .547-inch (large) bore tenor handslide with wide crook—our most popular design, combines efficient feel and response with orchestral breadth of sound—very easy to adapt to any playing situation, TB47: .547-inch (large) bore tenor handslide with bass crook—for players desiring an expansive sound and feel, T25: .525-inch (medium) bore tenor handslide, TW25: .525-inch (medium) bore tenor handslide with wide crook, T85: .485-inch (small) bore tenor handslide, T00: .500-inch(small) bore tenor handslide, T08: .508-inch (small) bore tenor handslide. I don't generally recommend using oil for trombone slides, but it is an option if you're caught without anything else. All slides come with three interchangeable leadpipes. The Slide Doctor Shop will remain open during these difficult times. I have tried three different oils and 1 cream but they just seem to make my slide stickier. It projects, resonates and rings just like any good mid-1960s Williams. We’re evaluating straight-on carbon fiber on metal. Before I was actively holding back to not crack notes in the staff but the slide really lets me rip. The open wrap design goes seamlessly with the Schiller Axial Flow F Trigger. Slide is in demo condition with no visible signs of wear. Trombone Tuning Slides. So far I’m loving it, enough so that I’m finally practicing daily because it’s fun to play!”, “here’s the feedback on the slide…It is #$@% great…LOL… one advantage I didn’t even think of. For rich powerful open sound in all the registers durable nickel silver inner and outer slides. Trombones of this size had previously been called bass trombones, although by this time, Olds had introduced the Super Olds Bass Trombone with a slide bore of .562 with the choice of one or two rotary valves. The Yamaha YSL-354 Tenor Trombone for Beginners and Students is a standard Bb tenor trombone. I am a painfully picky player in this regard – I just had new (metal) tubes drawn for another horn, and I sent the slide back because even though the slide felt amazing and the construction was perfect, the tolerance between the inner and outer was JUST a micron or two too loose and it (incrementally) changed the blow. Air feel is identical to a stock, mid-60s Earl Williams 6. The slide action helps fast line execution & clarity of sound. Give us a call or email us from the button below to discuss your project! Go Here for the slide position chart for a tenor clef trombone with an F attachment trigger. Dave is an awesome guy and very skillful, he listened patiently to my needs and made the perfect slides for me! We also feature our own water key design. The ID of the outer tube is .540 for the .500 bore horn and .560 for the .508-09 bore horn. People on the gigs thus far have said it sounds good, I was really testing its boundaries with volume and speed, and it was taking it like a champ. Add to Cart. “At the International Trombone Festival in 2017, I came across the booth of Butler Trombones. Butler Trombone Slide. I was able to get my horn fitted with it the morning we left for tour. Edwards single- and dual-bore bass trombone slides are available with yellow brass outer tubes and nickel sleeves and end crook. So, … My 35 years of making custom brass instruments has led me to make a commercial style small bore tenor trombone for the pro player. The slide tubing of S.E. Perhaps the price of admission is reading that it won’t dent or bend. It’s like the normal evaluation rules don’t apply, and I found myself not *wanting* to evaluate it by traditional methods. The Attitude, the Authority, the American Trombone Sound. by Arrowhead » Sat May 25, 2019 6:21 am 1 Replies 841 Views Last post by … Here is a prototype made by trombonist David Butler: A pre-market Butler carbon-fiber Trombone. One hand slide. Slides with no additional markings are standard weight, with yellow-brass tubes, nickel-silver sleeves, and a nickel-silver crook. Thanks for the slide and for getting it to me so quickly! function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);}
The slides are very durable, a big and heavy trombone case fell on my side and nothing happened to it, not a scratch! To read Doug’s entire blog post about the modifications to his horn go here: The Last Trombone, Kevin Jones – King 3B – Florida State University Associate professor of jazz trombone, “Playing on a regular slide is like driving a dump truck after getting used to a Corvette.”. Quantity: Decrease Quantity: Increase Quantity: Price: $995.00 Subtotal: Add to Cart. The small bore complete slide fits Conn 6H. “I’m crazy about your slide and am really looking forward to the bell and tuning slide and seeing how that goes.” I say it’s worth it.”. In addition, Lawler has partnered with Butler Trombones to offer carbon fiber outer slides in .500" and .508" bores. Our outer slides feature all carbon fiber construction including the crook and brace. The full trombone package includes: One bell stem. Alessi-Vacchiano Tenor Trombone Straight Mute. All the resonance qualities that I love metal horns for – and have had problems with all-CF horns – are absent here. A metal slide has heft, which gives it inertial potential, and in an optimum metal slide allows for a glassy feel that provides little drag. My new carbon fiber parts as installed on my YAMAHA YBL-822G bass trombone have given me an instrument that is highly responsive and lightweight but has a sound I would expect to be produced by my fully brass and nickel bass trombone. S.E. Trombone … The major thing that I appreciate though, is that the slide moves so efficiently now that my chops are not moving around and my buzz isn’t being interrupted as a result of unnecessary movement from a laggy slide. Trombone Buddy’s unique patented mechanism adds a “Notch” sensation to precise adjustable visual markers. The Schiller American Heritage Axial Flow Trombone is preferred by concert and symphonic players. Absolutely excellent. Our inner slide features a curved hand brace and threaded leadpipe. Check out the Butler trombones, they are incredible horns! “It’s awesome! $40.50 - $47.95. Nothing like that here. 10/10. Dual bore slides have an open sound and feel, require more air, and produce a larger sound compared to the upper-leg's single bore equivalent,. – Feel: I usually determine this by moving the slide slowly, simulating teensy-weensy adjustments. In applying sound mechanical principals to slide design and a more conical design to the air column, he ushered in the new era of the trombone. One of the exciting developments with Lawler Trombones has been Mr. Lawler's collaboration with Butler Trombones to create a custom carbon fiber handslide. Oh yeah, you can’t dent them either! With extra tubing, a large bell, and a wide bore, the bass trombone has a much lower, deeper sound than a tenor trombone. I thought to myself, “This is not a toy.” What shocked me was that it sounded like – well – a trombone. They are just another job, no harder nor trickier than any other job that requires a little skill to do. This test is deceptive, because the feel is so different from a metal slide. Use a good quality valve oil, preferably something on the heavier/thicker side and apply several drops to the top of the inner slides just like you would with a liquid lubricant. My slide arm can move much more independently from the rest of body. All this time, I had not re-creamed or watered the slide yet (partially because I had just lost my last spray bottle). It’s amazingly durable and won’t bend or dent. Thank you, and stay healthy. It doesn’t have the traditional slickness of a metal slide, but after playing it you just don’t care, because it’s SO damn fast. Maybe in terms of its sound it has lightened up a bit. Carbon fiber slides for trombones have been available for several years from a few manufacturers. They had a display of small bore jazz trombones made out of carbon fiber. The price for a complete custom 6h slide with carbon outer is $1,600 US (this slide can also fit Edwards horns). – Sound: this was the truly surprising & exciting part – I cannot determine ANY differences in sound quality from the stock metal slide. Through all positions it’s light and just floats… The repair guy really was impressed… then there was a pause and he asked…”Does it dent”… and I said no… he got a forlorn look and I patted him on the shoulder.”, “I got the slide and I was amazed by it. A properly aligned slide will also produce a better"seal" over the entire length of the tubing. Learning the trombone is about to change forever… Now, musicians can see and feel exactly where the positions are! Here is JT with the Dallas Horns playing a Butler trombones all carbon fiber outer slide. His sound was immediately more full and resonant. “Apart from getting an entire tongue transplant, fast passages seemed to be more fluid and natural. “I’ve been playing exclusively on carbon slides from Butler Trombones for over a year, and I won’t ever go back to a metal slide. When you are out in 5th,6th,7th position the weight of a metal slide puts strain on your left hand…plus… you tend to start using your right hand to help support the horn (a no-no). I love them! We have built custom outer carbon fiber slides for Bach, Conn, Kanstul, Shires, Williams, M&W, Yamaha, Edwards, Rath, Lawler, Cortouis and King. I’ve been using the slide both in the studio and for live performances, with no noticeable difference in my sound or in how the horn plays. None whatsoever, not even low Bs/Cs/Fs/Es where a third of the trombone is carbon. However there’s another coincidental/incidental benefit: I was expecting some sound loss with the lightweight slide. Either way, I can play my old Bach again and that’s reason enough to be happy about it. I think ballad playing is a little smoother & creamier due to the mechanical superiority of the slide. Trombone Slide Cleaning 101 P50 Instructions. The slide tubes are chrome plated nickel silver. $995.00. Bass trombone. $40.50 - $47.95. Trombone Slide Cleaning 101 In the last 50 years, many advances have been made to make repairing band instruments easier, safer and at the same time produce a better product. Choose Options Quick view. These outer carbon fiber slides are made for me buy Dave Butler. We build outer CF slides for all manufacturers. The Slide Doctor is taking the necessary precautions to ensure safe receiving, slide setups, and shipping of all my customers slides, as well as any Great Slide product that is ordered. The sound is certainly quite credible: Shires handslides is drawn in house, to precise tolerances. And then my thoughts began to race and wonder, “If this small bore trombone sounds so great, could a bass trombone be made that sounds great, too?” Demo Conn SL4747 Trombone Handslide in lacquer. I fully expected it to sound like a glorified pBone, a high tech plastic trombone. – Treatment: It seems to like to be dry, because whenever I add any of the (recommended) Yamaha lubricant to it, it incrementally slows down – which takes away from the superior slide speed. Having an impervious outer slide calms my mood. A plunger shaped like the inside of the slide tube and a rubber O ring seal. It is generally acceptable to have a gap of between .01 and .007 between your stocking and the ID of the outer tube. Our slides are then carefully assembled, aligned, and stress relieved to assure the smooth, trouble-free action that has become the hallmark of S.E. And that’s exactly what I was hoping it would do. As a point of reference these slides weigh 65 to 85 grams depending on model. In other words, this slide changes my preferences. My mind was reeling. The price for a complete custom 6h slide with carbon outer is $1,600 US (this slide can also fit Edwards horns). To say that I am enthusiastic about what Dave Butler has done would be a profound understatement. Simple Straightening and Aligning of Trombone Hand Slides. This is an added cost feature and can be ordered as a primary slide or an extra slide. Our slides are then carefully assembled, aligned, and stress relieved to assure the smooth, trouble-free action that has become the hallmark of S.E. Although it isn’t the most popular type of trombone used today, it can still be found in some jazz and orchestral settings. Bob Mintzer, Blood Sweat & Tears, Slide Hampton’s World of Trombones.- King 3B, “I like knowing the slide is gonna be where it needs to be every time. Do know of any really good oils/creams for trombone slides? – Disadvantages: the only thing I can think of is the inner has to be widened to accommodate the carbon fiber outer, so once you convert you can’t switch back and forth. This trombone sounded great, holding it was virtually effortless, and moving the slide was something completely new. The carbon slide is best when it is dry and clean. Congrats on a great product ! – Speed: Easily the fastest slide I’ve ever played in a 42-year playing career. Trombone Buddy is … Cork barrels and curved brace are nickel silver and are polished with an un-lacquered finish. So far I’m more than satisfied! I would absolutely recommend this slide to anyone who is looking to be more agile and effortless in their playing.”, Joe Jackson – Williams 6 – former lead trombone with the Airman of Note. To assist you in getting started, there are several basic assumptions you should adopt to be successful. 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